Episode 258 Snippets: Sports Teams Can Drive Massive Revenue and Value with Social Media Content — Here’s How

On episode 258 of the Digital and Social Media Sports Podcast, Neil chatted with Rob Gevertz, Founder of First Five Yards.

In this episode, Rob gives phenomenal insight on building sponsor integrations and content on social and digital media, based on years of experience with Manchester City football club, Sky Sports, and more. He is now bringing his expertise to several organizations with his digital consultancy First Five Yards.

What follows are some snippets from the episode. Click Here to listen to the full episode or check it out and subscribe to the podcast on Apple and Spotify.

Episode 258: Rob Gevertz on How to Build Out Quality, Meaningful and Valuable Sponsored Social Media Content in Sports

Listen to episode 258 of the Digital and Social Media Sports podcast, in which Neil chatted with Rob Gevertz, Founder of First Five Yards.

In this episode, Rob gives phenomenal insight on building sponsor integrations and content on social and digital media, based on years of experience with Manchester City football club, Sky Sports, and more. He is now bringing his expertise to several organizations with his digital consultancy First Five Yards.

79 minute duration. Listen on AppleSpotify and Stitcher.

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The Infusion of Intellectual and Financial Capital is Transforming Sports Business But Developing and Reaching Fans Remains the Key KPI

Picture the stereotypical owner of a sports team. Back when you were growing up, it’s probably an oil tycoon, maybe wearing a cowboy hat, glad-handing in a private box at the stadium, with plans to pass on the team to their children some day. It was either buy a couple of yachts and a fleet of sports cars or buy a sports team.

But that has largely changed in the last decade or so. Sports teams are now multi-billion dollar entities that attract some of the most sophisticated moneymakers and moneymaking institutions in the world. And with the new equation, stuffed with more zeroes and commas than ever, the level of innovation, analysis, and disruptive investment is more accelerated than ever.

It’s in this dynamic new era that JohnWallStreet resides, analyzing the biggest questions, trends, and themes that are driving the greater sports business industry forward and are on the minds of the industry leaders shaping this evolution. Corey Leff, the founder and editor of JohnWallStreet, articulated the new normal in sports, in which teams and leagues are investment assets that demand the same level of innovation that has shaped the other multi-billion dollar businesses in the world.

“Forever sports was just like a hobby that rich people did,” said Leff, who worked in equity research prior to starting the newsletter and sports business advisory resource JohnWallStreet. “And these weren’t investments, these were largely teams that were passed down. But as the valuations, which corresponded with media rights [deals], have skyrocketed over the last 15 years, you’ve had a different class of owner come in because who can afford to buy $2 billion teams.

“With these enormous purchase prices, you get this different class of owner that’s taking a different approach and making sports business a lot smarter and are thinking about things like the fan experience and how to improve and integrate sports tech. So that’s opened up this whole world of venture and investment and all the things that we write about now.”

And then the million, nee, billion dollar question becomes, Leff noted, “To generate any semblance of return on them, we have to monetize them. So we need to do a better job than we have in the past. I think it all goes together.”

While the massive valuations have largely been driven by increases in live television rights (more on that later), a variable area ripe for growth in the tech-infused, increasingly connected and mobile world, is fan experience and fan engagement. While your parents and grandparents may mostly recognize the game on the field or the court, there is so much more new and novel about going to a game. Sure, you can get still get a hot dog and peanuts, but now you can also get a signature dish from a local restaurant favorite from a renowned chef — and order and receive it without leaving your seat. Forgetting the tickets on the kitchen counter is a relic of the past, it’s all mobile now. The game listed on the ticket is still the ‘main event’ (don’t worry, Red Zone is on in the sports book on the concourse) but you might really be going for the postgame concert or the pregame beer-tasting event. Needless to say, some things have changed since those halcyon days of years past. Things had to change, fans have too many other options on which they could spend their discretionary dollar or enjoy a night out.

“There’s a broader trend of fans going less and spending more on those experiences and looking for that premium experience,” said Leff, whose daily JohnWallStreet newsletter involves deep dives analysis and interviews on sports business stories, topics, and developments. “So that’s not where this conversation or even the trend we’re talking about started about why they initially started trying to improve the fan experience, but it’s all on the same kind of wavelength.

“Right now that’s what fans are looking for. They’re looking for that one night [to be] memorable, this is the night of the year type of experience. And that’s why they’re spending a couple grand to go to Taylor Swift. It’s all about memories, Instagram, social, creating experiences that stand out and are not just one of a million.”

The competition to attract fans to come to the games is just one battle, however. The greater challenge at hand is the rapid evolution of the heretofore endless spigot of cash coming through media rights deals. It used to be so easy — just about every household spent their entertainment hours consuming programming one of a few cable bundles and both leagues and networks enjoyed virtually unfettered, lucrative access to every fan.

But now that built-in audience can no longer be taken for granted. The number of households in the traditional cable bundle is only going down from here on out. Those regional media rights deals are increasingly being replaced by direct-to-consumer platforms or smaller deals. But this paradigm shift can be both a feature and a bug. Because while broad reach may get a little tougher, many teams will have more direct relationships with more fans than ever before.

“I think reach has become an increasing focus for sports properties, recognizing that the everybody’s not in the cable bundle anymore,” said Leff, who recently published a piece on the possible rise of FAST (Free ad-supported television) platforms for games. “There’s like 35 million people that now are outside the pay TV bundle. So I think there’s just an industrywide focus on reach.

He contnued: “I think there’s an increasing shift to understanding or trying to understand who fans are, and if you can understand who fans are, then you could start focusing on what’s the lifetime value and increasing the lifetime value of those fans.

“So we’ve seen these integrations, an increased focus on data and data insights over the last couple of years, but we’re still in our infancy; it’s still at the data aggregation and understanding data part of the process. Like, I don’t know that we’ve actually gotten to the part of the process yet where it’s actionable and driving new revenues.”

Driving new revenues is the end destination, of course, even if we’re still charting the path there. Because while massive reach it’s still available, it’s increasingly happening across different platforms. The fragmentation is part of the new normal, a side effect of the dilution of the cable bundle. Teams and leagues are reaching more fans than ever, all across the globe, but that doesn’t mean making money off all those fans will be easy. Leff and I talked about the unparalleled volume of fans of European football clubs, for example, who may have more individuals in the fans identified as fans — but, for a number of reasons, don’t drive anywhere near the revenue per fan of what, say, the NFL does (playing a sport that is largely confined to two countries in the world).

There is no prebaked paradigm for maximizing the revenue of each fan for a truly global sports team. As NFL and NBA teams increasingly seek global brand status, the Premier League clubs are just about there — but don’t quite have the revenue to show for it yet. There’s latent value for each fan, though, even more so with more direct, more increasingly necessary relationships. Leff noted the importance of being able to direct identify and engage fans.

“Especially these teams with global followings,” he said, “if you could put a per dollar value on what each of those fans are [their valuations would be much higher]. The problem right now is that, say, you got a gazillion fans, but you don’t know who any of them are, how do you go about monetizing them? The answer is you can’t.”

The backbone of monetization, as you’ve read (or already knew), has been the games, and It will continue to be that way for the foreseeable future. But it’s obvious the models by which games are monetized are evolving. There are still lucrative linear rights deals for many, but there are also streaming deals, direct-to-consumer offerings, a la carte purchases, and more. And there’s a generation of potential and emerging fans not accustomed to plopping themselves in front of the boob tube for three hours to watch the full game. They’re still fans, but it’d be naive to think the business models that have prevailed for decades won’t have to evolve along with the changing nature of fan engagement.

Leff addressed the narratives around the coveted and sometimes misdiagnosed young fan cohorts. “I think that younger generations will watch longer form content if the content is good. I don’t necessarily just believe that…,” said Leff, who has a six-year-old daughter himself. “There’s no doubt that it’s hard to fit [long live games] into people’s schedules these days. Everything’s more competitive, so you have to make it more attractive…I certainly do not subscribe to the idea that Gen Z’s are not sports fans; that’s a ludicrous idea. There are certainly sports fans, they just consume media in a different way…”

While traditional TV ratings seem to (remarkably) keep going up for live sports, most survey and behavioral data about Gen Z and Gen Alpha sports fans indicate they tend to prefer and consume more highlights and social media versus the traditional live broadcast. Herein lies another challenge, monetizing sports fans in the same ways when their consumption patterns change. There’s no magic formula that says one sports fan of your team = ‘x’ dollars per year in revenue, let alone lifetime value. But all the questions are moot without new ideas, experimentation, and flipping the innovator’s dilemma on its head, and being unafraid to disrupt paradigms that were so lucrative (and still are) for so long.

“Even if we put the monetization to the side, isn’t it about building that [fan]?” said Leff of the monetization of highlights and non-live consumption. “At least as I see it, for a six-year-old girl, it’s building the next generation of fans and fan engagement. [My daughter] doesn’t watch Sports Center like I did. I’m not sure that the ten-year-old or 12-year-olds are watching Sports Center, but they’re flipping on Roblox, so why not have the highlights airing inside the Roblox game?…

“in the context that I’m talking about, at least, it’s about talking to the next generation of fans. You’re not thinking about how to make the most money off of them today.

“You want to make sure that in 20 years, your team valuations are still going up because you still have a fan base.”

The reward for winning in sports (business) is as lucrative as it’s ever been. At the same time, the competition for discretionary dollars from fans and brands is only getting more fierce. The one constant has been, and will be, the fan. The fan is the sun around which everything else orbits. Without the fan, none of all this talk of innovation, experience, media models, and paradigm shifts matters. So while we continue to chase the almighty dollar today, nothing is more important than ensuring we’re cultivating the fans of tomorrow. It’s that emotional investment that will pay off on the fiscal investment in the long run.

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NIL Through the Eyes of an Athlete: Creating and Receiving Value that Transcends Dollars

For decades, star student-athletes enjoyed an elevated local or even national status. But besides maybe a generous portion in their Chipotle bowl or skipping the line at the club, there wasn’t much (legal) remuneration for being ‘big man on campus.’

And then name-image-likeness regulations were blown wide open and the student-athlete opportunity was potentially more lucrative than ever. If the amateur athletes seized that opportunity, built their brands, and became attractive to individuals and businesses willing to pay for access to their NIL.

But athletes pitching themselves is nothing new. Most college athletes on scholarships were building up and selling a product years before they stepped foot on campus — they were marketing themselves. As future leaders for a program, as strong ambassadors for the school, and as individuals that coaches would want to invest in. A star high school quarterback in the football-mad state of Texas, Chase Griffin, went through that recruiting process, and he recognized that student-athletes, working for college athletic programs that take in millions of dollars, are well-positioned for the new era of NIL activation.

“I’ve always thought athletes were built for NIL for two reasons,” said Griffin, who ended up going to UCLA to join a historic athletics program and institution. “One, we already generate so much revenue and value for the companies and in industries that are set up around collegiate sports. And then two, we’re by nature content creators. Every single person who’s in college right now either produced their own Hudl or had a coach or guardian who created their Hudl of content that they were doing on the field and they had to create their profile and put grades and put good works in there. Every single person who’s gotten to college has been recruited off of a highlight tape off of some type of reel.”

Griffin came into UCLA already having experience doing interviews, representing himself, and even engaging with brands at various events for awards. He was more than ready for the opportunities that the opening of NIL regulations afforded student-athletes like himself. It was those media engagements and self-awareness just as much as anything he could do on the field, though. NIL activities aren’t some inherent part of being a high-level student-athlete, Griffin said, and it’s not something that every athlete needs to or even can do well. It takes work, as any traditional ‘influencer’ or celebrity or creator can attest. And while student-athletes can now legally monetize their NIL, it doesn’t mean it’s automatic riches and deals for every athlete.

“I think not everybody has to participate in NIL. And the ones that do, it’s completely up to them how much time and effort that they put into it,” said Griffin, who has become a leader in the NIL space, particularly among active athletes. “But it is very much getting what you get out of as far as the time commitment. And the thing is, it’s less reliant on sport than people realize. There are folks who are extremely good content creators who are in gymnastics or who are in soccer, or who are in rowing that are getting deals because they know how to create a follower base and create content that is engagement-worthy, and brands recognize that.”

All of this is easier said than done. While some may have expected that the NIL floodgates would open with the loosening of the laws, that hasn’t been the case. There are plenty of headlines about student-athletes driving complementary cars, working with national brands, or booking six-figure deals — but those are much more the exception than the norm. Because it’s not that easy. Even if an athlete nails the content creator game — no easy feat, as Griffin described — there remains the challenge of attracting brands, securing deals, and somehow managing it all alongside a full academic and athletic schedule (and hopefully some of the more traditional ‘fun’ part of the college experience, too). It might as well be another curriculum for athletes hoping to participate in NIL (indeed, some universities now have classes related to the creator industry). There is another level of education available to student-athletes now, Griffin explained, and it will serve them well as students and athletes.

“I think a lot of athletes they see maybe teammates of theirs or people at other schools who play the same position or same sport succeeding and the thing is, they have no idea how it happens or they think there’s some trick to it,” said Griffin, who has done several brand deals, content collaborations, and also has a charitable foundation bearing his name. “And bottom line, the majority of college athletes haven’t done any cash deals, have earned zero $0 through name, image, and likeness.

“Those who are starting their own businesses in college, or learning through internships or work experience are getting arguably the best part of college during those college years and able to network. And athletes were [previously] barred from that…”It is no surprise that athletes who were getting these maximum contracts in the professional world were going broke because they were barred from participating in any type of business and then you give them the lottery. So now that NIL is here I think it adds to the cumulative nature of student athletes’ education while they’re still in school.”

Griffin is taking full advantage of that education and the opportunities he has as a UCLA student-athlete. And he’s doing so with intentionality about his brand and what makes his NIL stand out among all the other athletes, and individuals in general, that brands could work with. Griffin’s cultivation of his brand in the professional world has led to unique opportunities with businesses like Chase Bank, with whom he co-hosted the Zone In Podcast (alongside NFL player Kavyon Thibodeaux). It all aligns with Griffin’s aspirations of building a career in in the present and future with helping athletes to manage and create generational wealth. He started carving out such a path for his NIL and his brand fro day one, embracing a social network that isn’t the first that comes to mind for the creator economy.

“As soon as I got to UCLA, I built out my LinkedIn, which is really been a hidden moneymaker for me throughout NIL,” said Griffin, who went on to recommend that student-athletes get on the professional-focused platform, “just because I’ve connected with the right people, I’ve built a good following on there, and it adds a dynamic that a lot of other not just athlete creators, but creators in general don’t have.”

Griffin was also articulate in explaining how he wanted to represent himself. And those principles have continued to guide him as a creator, a student-athlete, a brand partner, and a human. Such an understanding and appreciation of his personal brand has clearly been a valuable asset for Griffin, as he described how it guides him and his endeavors.

“It’s really based off three things,” he said. “It’s my personal values. I consider myself a believer, a winner, a provider, and I look for other brands that mimic those values. Then two is the economic value — is the price and deliverables that they’re asking for on par with my market price? Then three is community value, where I find ways to parlay what the brand is about and their expertise and reach, as well as the money that’s coming in because of the deal, and then find ways to create community value.”

As Griffin continues to hone his brand and create value for himself and others, he recognizes how beneficial the holistic experience is for him. A lot of learning in college happens in the classroom, but there’s also a whole lot of education and growth that happens outside the classroom. For student-athletes, the new age for NIL is about much more than making a few bucks, it’s equipping them with skills that will serve them in life for years to come. And isn’t that what the college experience is all about?

“I have earned a good amount of money that I’m extremely grateful for, and have earned the ability to give money away,” said Griffin, who will have both a Master’s degree in education and another in legal studies by the time he’s finished. “But at the same time, it’s the experience that I’m most excited about because I’m creating, I think, a workable template for life that as long as I stay true to myself I’ll be able to continue growing as far as wealth creation.”

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