Value Over Replacement: What It Takes to Survive and Thrive in Today’s Sports Media Industry

Journalists are as replaceable as ever. But good journalists are as valuable as ever.

There’s no need to recite the countless headlines of publications shutting down or writers getting laid off to convey the challenges facing the media industry in sports and beyond. But that just augments the value of individuals who bring something unique to the table and command an audience.

Dan Wetzel knows what it’s like to face an uphill battle, to earn attention. The renowned sports reporter and columnist was part of the early days of Yahoo Sports (where he continues to work today), back when a lot of fans were still reading their sports stories in print or on whichever website could win the SEO or home page game. (Yahoo.com was one of those ubiquitous home pages, of course). Today it’s a different sea of competition, but more fierce, with innumerable options, personalities, and platforms where fans can find and consume sports stories. Throughout the eras, a consistent lesson continues to stick with Wetzel — you can’t blend in. There has to be a reason for fans to find you, follow you, and come back to you.

“My favorite one of the [advanced baseball stats] is VORP: value over replacement player,” he explained in a recent interview with me. “If you’re not delivering value over a replacement player, doing what the other people aren’t, then you’re failing. Because you can get the same stuff everywhere. So what are you contributing that’s above that?”

Fans have felt connections to their favorite writers for years, but, for prior generations, much of that was constrained. Way back, what fans read and watched about sports was limited to their local newspapers and newscasts, with a special treat perhaps arriving in the mail in the form of a Sports Illustrated magazine, for example. Now, it’s a battle. As Wetzel noted that’s where ‘VORP’ comes in for individuals, but professional journalists, and their publications, aren’t just trying to win the internet. Sure, a single story or tweet going viral is great and all, but if you’re looking to have fans come back for days, weeks, and years to come, that requires something more authentic, repeatable, and rooted in a relationship.

“Throughout time there’s constantly these mini trends where everyone will get all excited about this or that, and you get a lot of people in media going, ‘This is the next big thing.’ It doesn’t last, and then that whole thing falls apart,” said Wetzel. “So you always have to be true to yourself.

“Whether it’s people reading the column or hearing you on talk radio shows or listening to your podcast or getting to know you some through social media, the more of a relationship you have with them, I think your trust level is better. I think people people have an understanding and that’s not just with each individual, but an entire site. What’s the ethos of the site?”

Wetzel was referencing the way Yahoo Sports built itself up and sustained the brand over time. The ‘ethos’ of the site plays a big part in why sports fans (myself included) choose to click, listen, and watch what Wetzel and his colleagues put out. ‘You can get the same stuff,’ everywhere, remember, as Wetzel said a few paragraphs ago. So whether you’re a publication, a creator, a reporter, or even a sports team or league — do you and your content have a ‘brand’ that’s unique? If you asked ChatGPT to describe what differentiates you from other places sports fans can go, would it have a legitimate response?

I’m restating this key theme of this story because Wetzel and Yahoo Sports do have a unique brand, VORP and all. They’re informed but often irreverent, they’re credible and respectful of the serious stories, they deliver information, insight, and opinion in a relatable and digestible manner. Read or watch Wetzel and this ethos comes out. He has covered difficult stories throughout his career (Larry Nassar, Jerry Sandusky, Aaron Hernandez, for example), and also spends much of his time in the melodramatic but big-money world of college sports. Wetzel discussed this complex web of content, one in which he understands what matters and why.

“I don’t take the small stuff seriously, I take the big stuff seriously,” he said. “At the end of the day, the games are about the entertainment. I just treat it like a business. I always felt more like a business reporter than a sports reporter. The games are the easiest thing to cover and the least important. You know, they have a huge scoreboard that tells you what the final score is. It’s all the other stories where you don’t have a final score.

“And certainly in college athletics, the controversies, the scandals, the personalities are a bigger part of it than just the games. Because if you want to watch really good football, you want to watch the best football, you don’t watch college football. The best actual football being played is in the NFL. You want to watch the best basketball, you watch the NBA. The players are better, the coaching is better, the rules are better. It just is.

“You’re watching because of a passion and all the other mayhem and the environments and all the other stuff, as well as good basketball or good football.”

The passion in college sports is palpable and drives countless narratives. How many fans are ready to fire the coach after a week 1 stinker? How many coaches have been caught lying through their teeth to steer a story or evade an angle of questioning? As coaches have become more like CEOs and politicians, knowing how important it is to appease fans (especially the wealthiest ones) and recruits (including potential transfers), Wetzel recognizes he has to help fans understand the actual information. And to use his efforts to give fans what they’re not getting elsewhere along with his informed view of where the truth really lies amidst all the noise. That’s part of his value over replacement.

“On a complicated issue, like NIL [for example], it’s just trying to be reasonable, understanding it, and carving out like, ‘Okay, this is what I think,'” he explained, about covering the endless storylines around name-image-likeness in college sports. “Not just repeating. The easiest thing to do with NIL, and probably the most profitable would be to to cry that the sky is falling. That’s what everyone wanted…But coaches are the worst sources because they know almost nothing other than what they’re coaching…I mean these coaches are telling you that all the laws of economics no longer exist in this one entity because their feelings are hurt. So you try to explain it as best you can on something like that.

“If it’s a trial, you’re trying to convey information and to describe the situation and severity. If it’s a game you’re trying to show people things they can’t see on television.”

Fans don’t know what they don’t know. But any sports fan who spends a minute on social media (or message boards) knows there is no shortage of often anonymous users who claim to have information other fans don’t. While some of the ‘scoops’ individuals with often humorous usernames and pseudonyms sometimes turn out to be true, their hit rate tends to be somewhere near the odds of a jackpot lottery win. Is it the job of a journalist in 2024 to sift through all the slop and assess and inform their audience on what’s credible and what’s not? That’s a Sisyphean task and why it’s so important for someone like Wetzel to have a relationship with fans who know they can trust what he puts out.

“It’s not my job to police the information out there,” said Wetzel, whose exasperation with all the misinformation on social media can’t help but come out a bit. “There are credible news organizations that put false stuff out there. There’s the teams or the coaches, they put out false stuff [out] themselves on purpose. So all you can do is try to sort through it. But you can’t really spend much time.

“I mean, people will say, Oh, you’re wrong because I saw this. But I think, again, it goes to the long-term relationship. If people trust that you’re reasonable, and you don’t overreact to stuff, then maybe they have more of an understanding. That’s all you can go with.”

Wetzel continued: “Clearly social media allows anybody a voice and it can go big really quick. That guy could have been the guy at the end of the bar, guy calling in to talk radio. Now it’s out there and they can make things so you can disinformation things really easily. It’s all how it’s presented and it can be quite effective and people are good at it. What am I supposed to do about it? I mean, I don’t care.

“If an organization is listening to what’s getting said on social media, they’re failing, because what seems like a lot on social media is not. It can be one guy with 200 accounts. 20 people yelling at you can seem like it’s 20,000, whereas most fans are reasonable and still support the team and all that or don’t even know. But that’s not my job.”

There are a lot of voices, there’s a lot of noise. But if fans have a reason to seek you amidst the noise, to listen for your voice — you might just have a chance to survive in this new era (the new normal). As our conversation came to a close, Wetzel reflected on what it takes to make it for a journalist today, where the VORP lies.

“There have been so many people that come and go because they don’t really provide value. They’re replaceable. But if you can uncover information, get people to talk to you, if you know how to be a reporter, there’s probably a future for you. It’s a tough business, though…

“At some point it comes down to, why are you listening? And unless you’re incredibly gifted and charismatic it’s really hard to do without being a reporter or already previously famous because it’s just such a competitive industry.”


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Episode 278 Snippets: Creating Value and Credibility in the Loud and Crowded Sports Media Space

On episode 278 of the Digital and Social Media Sports Podcast, Neil chatted with Dan Wetzel, National Columnist for Yahoo Sports, NYT best-selling author, documentary producer, and host of the College Football Enquirer podcast.

What follows are some snippets from the episode. Click Here to listen to the full episode or check it out and subscribe to the podcast via iTunes or listen on Spotify or Stitcher.

Episode 277: Neil Horowitz Discussing Fan Engagement, Social Media ROI, and Digital Strategy

Listen to episode 277, a simulcast airing of the Art of the Game podcast, a great podcast about social media, creative, and sports put on by Sport Design Australia. Neil is interviewed by hosts Reece Carter and Ryan Ellul. Give it a listen!

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Monetizing the Ecosystem of Content and Relationships that Sports Podcasters Produce — and the Power of Parasocial Relationships

Creator, influencer, personality — no matter what you call these individuals amassing more audiences than the decades-old billion-dollar behemoths of yesteryear, you can’t deny that they run the world now.

The barriers to entry that kept the old gatekeepers in power are long gone and new empires are being erected every day by these creators with big dreams, tireless work ethics, and an impressive ability to build and engage audiences.

The old power players have started to realize that, and they’re scrambling to bring them into their fold. You see ESPN bringing in Omar Raja and Pat McAfee, for example. Your engagement rate and follower count are equally, if not more, important than your demo reels or writing samples. Kevin Jones, who started out on a traditional media career path quickly noticed the paradigm rapidly shifting from a brand halo serving individuals to, well, the other way around.

“It matters much more about who the personalities are representing your brand,” said Jones, Founder and CEO of Blue Wire, a podcast network built around sports personalities and athletes. “Are they engaging? Are they good at digital? You can’t just have a podcast, you’ve got to be getting likes and retweets on X. You have people building their own media empires right now.

“I think we’re in this personality-driven era right now for sports podcasters…People are picking their favorite personalities. People are picking their favorite topics…and instead of following the beat reporter, they’re following their favorite [personalities] because they’re delivering the fan perspective.”

These influential individuals realize the power and agency they have now, too. Just as more athletes are starting to eschew endorsements in favor of building their own products and brands, so, too, are sports personalities and athletes figuring out ways to build something they can own. That’s part of the thesis for why Jones started Blue Wire back in 2019.

He explained: “Now the cream rises to the top. Who’s interesting, entertaining, and really good at digital? They’re going to have the biggest audiences…And now you have Cam Newton, now you have Jake Paul and Logan Paul building their own. Logan Paul doesn’t appear on any other podcasts, he just does his own. A lot of people are like, ‘Why am I going on all these shows? Let me just have my own platform here, and make money on it.’ I think that’s the future.”

These individuals have already amassed massive audiences. But how do you interpret ‘massive audiences?’ For many, the first thought is their hordes of followers on social media, be it Twitter or TikTok or YouTube or Instagram. What do all those platforms have in common for the creators building their livelihoods on them? The power lies in the owners of that audience, the corporate overlords of the platforms. Now consider what currency the creators have, what they would still have if ‘x’ platform shuts down tomorrow. This risk is why professionals are coming to understand the value of email lists, phone number-based communities, and podcast feeds.

“The podcast is what the creator digital creator should be gravitating towards,” said Jones, whose Blue Wire boasts over 13 million downloads per month. “We let our creators own their IP. They cannot own their Twitter audience. They cannot own their YouTube audiences… The podcast is something that you do own. It’s an RSS feed. There are phones actually subscribed to your content. They get delivered the content. And again, that’s an open ecosystem, a podcast. We [still] encourage creators to definitely build up on the platforms…”

This is not an either/or thing — each side makes the other stronger. The social platforms are ‘free’ marketing and audience development tools and the podcast destination a key conversion endpoint to bring a casual onlooker into a platform that’s largely owned and operated. The best creators reach audiences across platforms, the flywheel always turning. Even if you’ve never watched or listened to a podcast, yes you have. You have no doubt been exposed to a podcast and podcasters through the ubiquitous social feeds where countless clips are consumed.

“You can have favorite podcasters that you don’t even listen to the full thing regularly, but you’re following what they’re doing, you know some of their hot takes when they go viral,” noted Jones. “So I think it’s this whole ecosystem that people are paying attention to. Yes, everyone has their favorite couple of shows that they tune into regularly, but I think more and more people have ten, 20, 100 shows that they’re paying attention to because the podcaster is interesting…

“[The podcaster’s] job is not just the podcast, but also to build an audience day to day.”

This is the aha. Sure, in the ‘early days’ of podcasting, a podcast was generally an audio show on demand, accessible through Apple iTunes. Today, a podcast is the activation of a podcaster — consistent content consumed in many forms across many platforms — an ‘ecosystem,’ as Jones called it. The longform hero piece is still often the keystone of it all, it’s where relationships deepen the most and followers become fans. Because while social media algorithms can be fickle — even a creator’s most ardent subscribers and followers are not guaranteed to see their content in the feed, loyal subscribers of the main podcast are a special breed. They’re not just spending seconds watching a Shorts clip, they’re spending a significant portion of their daily media consumption time with the podcaster. And that matters. Because that’s an audience that didn’t serendipitously stumble onto a clip, they’re an intentional audience.

“Ultimately you have to be interested in that topic though to [convert from clips to podcast]. And that’s why the podcast CPMs are higher than a website CPM or a YouTube CPM,” said Jones. “What advertisers buy podcasting for are $25 or even bigger for the celebrities per 1000.

“That’s the hardest thing to get is someone’s attention for 20, 30, 40, 50 minutes here. So that’s where we really believe in the platform. You know, people are spending as much time with our podcasters as they are maybe their favorite Netflix or their favorite streaming platforms per week…”

The focused, intentional podcast-listening/watching audience is a compelling pitch for advertisers. But the true offering is more versatile. Just as a ‘podcast’ isn’t only the full show, the inventory for monetization encompasses the full ecosystem the podcaster’s content and personality fuels. Jones elaborated on the diverse ways to position a podcast to potential advertisers, an extensive menu with diverse content formats, platforms, and unduplicated audiences.

“I think there’s high value when you do convert someone and the advertisers are paying for the higher value there,” he said, “but we’re more and more including clips on our advertising packages too, that the advertisers are understanding, hey, this is a full enchilada. This is a full ecosystem. I can be reaching even more people on clips who aren’t listening to the podcast yet.

“I think we’ve done a good job utilizing that in sales. I think the industry is catching up to how the podcast is — like I said, the podcasts are on all the content they’re putting out. So we’re focusing more on a sales perspective than actually helping build a centralized audience. We’re helping our creators and monetizing these clips is our focus.”

As the greater podcast industry matures, the business models surrounding podcasts and podcasters are also becoming more diverse. The Acquired podcast, for example, pioneered selling single sponsors for an entire season. We’ve all heard the performance marketing-based models with their discount codes and vanity URLs. There is a panoply of options and this is where I just handed the mic to Jones who lives in this world every day with Blue Wire and let him school me on the revenue models of podcasts in 2024:

“Sponsorships are the number one thing that we’re after, and luckily we’re in sports because there’s huge sponsorship budgets for a lot of really big brands. You see the three-point contest, you see the Home Run Derby sponsorships, like we’re trying to turn podcasts into those kind of properties where you’re going to sponsor Cam Newton’s podcast for three, six, nine months, maybe even the full year…

“Second is just pure play impressions, people. A delivery service brand is still trying to be cool. They’re still trying to create brand awareness. They’ve still got to compete with the big dogs. And, you know, they’re willing to spend and sponsor a show and just have reach and make it more simple. There doesn’t have to be all these custom elements. Like, we love that too…

“Then the third is just straight-up audio, too, and also the clips and the social media. Live events, we’ve done some parties with Miller Lite and some other brands, too; like, let’s do a live podcast, let’s get some listeners together. That’s another element. We go for brand awareness, that’s the brands we love working with. We also work with performance agencies too, who are, Hey, if you perform well, we’re going to keep buying a shit-ton of this stuff, if you don’t perform well, it’s over. But that’s part of the mix…

“There’s programmatic too…so programmatic is kind of at the end of the waterfall if you think about our revenue as a stream. But that’s still a seven-figure business for us per year, just remnant inventory that’s left over. Spotify is best at on the ad sales just kind of filling in the gaps for everyone, kind of how YouTube does, just this automated player. We can just play those prerecorded commercials on the Blue Wire [network]. It’s a lower CPM for us, that’s why we’re not focused on it, so we make less money on that. But it helps us fill out more of our inventory, so we’re not taking a zero on a commercial spot.”

Between all the clips, all the minutes of consumption and time spent, the recurring engagement of loyal fans — the podcast ecosystem offers a lot. But even within those models, the CPM can’t tell the full story. If you’ve spent a half hour or an hour listening to or watching a personality, it can feel like you know them. That it wouldn’t be unusual at all to go up and engage in small talk with them should you run into them on the street. We still cannot truly measure that feeling of familiarity, let alone how it should reflect in the value of a sponsorship or advertising relationship with a creator.

That’s the most powerful part of an audience connection and why folks like Jones are so bullish on the future of the space. In an era of endless choices, fans choose to spend time with and consume their favorite creator’s content again and again. Step back and consider what a significant feat that is, coupled with the sheer volume of time spent and it’s quickly evident why these individual podcasters are as valuable as any old-school brand.

“That [parasoscial] relationship is what I really believe in is the biggest thing about this industry,” said Jones. “It goes beyond just consuming content. There is some kind of connection that’s developed when you’re consuming someone for hours. When you’re putting someone into your brain like this with the headphones; you know the trends are that people 35 and under are watching more YouTube at night than cable television and streaming is up there, too. We used to not be able to choose what we’re going to watch at night, 15 years ago, it was what it was. There was no streaming, it was just cable basically. Now people choose their own content.”

Jones continued, the belief and earnestness coming across.

“This is a true revolution. We don’t even understand it, but I think ten, 15 years from now, content is going to continue to look different. The President of the United States one day may have a podcast like FDR got on the radio.

“It’s just a way to connect with people at such a better level.”


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Episode 276 Snippets: How Sports Podcasts are Growing and Monetizing

On episode 276 of the Digital and Social Media Sports Podcast, Neil chatted with Kevin Jones, Founder and CEO of Blue Wire Sports podcast network.

What follows are some snippets from the episode. Click Here to listen to the full episode or check it out and subscribe to the podcast via iTunes or listen on Spotify or Stitcher.

Top Rank Boxing’s Knockout Strategy for Finding Followers and Developing Fans

The fans are out there. Your fans are out there. More fans than you even realize. There are communities, conversations, and creators engaging with the sport, the athletes, the media and the organizations that comprise the sport’s universe.

You just have to meet them where they are and do so in a way that’s genuine and valued.

It was easier in the halcyon days when ‘social media’ mostly meant Facebook and Twitter (and eventually Instagram). But now fans are more fragmented, different segments engaging on different platforms and divvying up their engagement pie and timeshare.

Most sports organizations fall into one of two camps — either you’re the type to sit back and watch others try out the new platforms first, perhaps just securing a page or handle while you wait OR you’re the early mover, jumping in and figuring stuff out as you go. You either play offense, trying new playbooks and platforms or you focus on perfecting your existing scheme, improving and enhancing the plays you know you can execute well. Convoluted sports analogies aside, it was insightful to learn about the success Joe Setley has seen at the organizations where he’s worked, where the rewards potential greatly outweighed the risks.

“I’ve been blessed to work with organizations that have really been willing to be on the forefront of apps where it’s like, ‘Oh, TikTok’s come out, like, let’s try it,’ said Setley, the Senior Director of Social Media and Content Strategy for Top Rank Boxing. “Top Rank has built a giant audience on WhatsApp now, that launched last year. We’ve been willing to kind of just jump on these trends.

“I think there is probably a graveyard of accounts that I’ve launched over my time at different places that are in that little part of the Excel sheet that just say account no longer in use. But I think that’s really where I’ve had a lot of buy-in from executives and my bosses in the past, and now where it’s really given us the opportunity to say What’s the worst thing that happens? The app’s not going to succeed.

“Going back to that WhatsApp example for Top Rank, we have over 4 million followers on WhatsApp. That’s 20% of our audience that we now have.. That account has been active since June last year, so there’s no reason not to take that risk. Same with the UFC (where Setley previously worked). We launched the TikTok account and I think it was in the first 50 days we had a million followers on it. Like, there’s no real reason not to embrace the kind of new apps because again, worst case, you discard it. But take that chance and hopefully you’re going to get lucky a couple times.”

Everyone who’s worked in social media can likely cite one or more platforms that came and went (Google+ was gonna be huge! Until it wasn’t. What about Peach or Ello or Yo!?). Setley noted that taking the shots isn’t as daunting when you can mostly repurpose existing content (TikTok was an exception, he noted). Meeting fans where they are is job number one. The next arena where that matters, especially for a sport and organization with a global fanbase (or realistic ambitions to have one) is language and culture.

A massive unlock for Setley and his team at Top Rank was to look at diversity of language and culture across their social media accounts. There are fans celebrating the sport and individual boxers hailing from different countries around the world waiting for an opportunity to come together and engage with platforms, pages, and posts that are made for them. It’s a chance to properly serve those fan segments, deepening engagement and connections, and enhancing fan avidity among them.

“All of our content was in English except for a Twitter account, so we really decided to dedicate a lot more effort into meeting these fans,” said Setley, who has been at Top Rank since late 2021. “Potentially another language will come down the pipeline in 2024 or 25, but we’ve seen a massive success in reaching these fans, using language as the main component.

“That was actually a really large reason why we launched the Spanish Facebook and WhatsApp and Instagram pages;, especially for that market, we wanted to have an account that could be more dedicated and focused to them. So we have a large Puerto Rican audience, we do a boxing event at MSG every Puerto Rican Day weekend, so we wanted to create an account that was more dedicated to promoting our Hispanic champions, our Mexican champions, our Puerto Rican champions, and really making sure that like where the main account can’t do 30 posts about them a day, this account could. So hopefully the Spanish account is a start of a larger, more global and regionalized. “

Every team and league (and boxing promoter) would do well to look within the existing fans of their sport and figure out how to turn those casual account ‘followers’ into engaged avids. While we spend time living post to post, aiming to reach higher levels of engagement and engagement metrics, there’s another framework worthy of consideration — moving fans up the funnel, ascending them up the spectrum, no matter where they reside today.

Everyone’s chasing new fans, especially the sports leagues whose three-letter abbreviations aren’t universally known, but what is the experience like for these new fans upon their arrival? What does the track look like to welcome these relative noobs, coming across the team or sport or league from different entry points, to continue growing in their fandom, moving up the spectrum? While boxing is one of the world’s oldest sports, Setley and Top Rank strategize with intent to bring new fans into the fold.

“We did audience surveys over the last year and really tried to identify what a fan of Top Rank is, and we learned that tons of people love boxing, but they don’t all know the rules of boxing,” he said. “Inside the ring and outside there are things like purse bids or co-promotions or what makes a ten-eight round and things like that; it’s not the easiest to find resources of how to learn these things. So we’re spending an effort this year to launch a series called Boxing 101 that provides these educational points for everyone.

“From a casual fan to a hardcore fan, we want to be able to provide a resource even just for the hardcore fans. They are arguing with their friend, they want to be like, ‘See on Top Rank’s website, they define this as that.’ So we’re trying to really help educate the fans.”

Top Rank can be a valuable resource for fans — showcasing the fighters, informing fans, and providing entertainment and access beyond the televised fights (which air most often on ESPN in the US). But it’s not as simple a relationship as fan-to-team or even fan-to-league. Top Rank supports fighters, promotes fights, and has been a beacon of the sport for decades. But the brand of a boxing promotion like Top Rank is not as simple as that of the laundry we cheer for in stick and ball sports. But Top Rank, like its peers, wants to stand out in the quality and stardom of the fighters they work with and a brand that is as sterling as the 50+ years the promotion has been around (founded in 1966).

Any sports brand, particularly in sports with rich, celebrated histories and historic rewatchable events, would do well to learn from Setley and Top Rank. This writer is personally bullish on the opportunity for organizations activate their archive, and Top Rank knows one of their key differentiating factors against other boxing promotions or even boxing media outlets, is their history. Setley talked about the value of their vault.

“Something that [Top Rank] really does well is we have boxing footage since 1966, so something that we made a very strong push and effort on is showcasing that vault,” said Setley, who also mentioned that 92-year-old Top Rank founder Bob Arum remains an active part of the promotion today. “We now have a Facebook page that’s called ‘Top Rank The Vault’ that has over 600,000 followers. It’s not dedicated to promoting upcoming fights, it’s just you want to watch an old Muhammad Ali fight, you come here. You want to watch an old Marvin Hagler fight, you can come here…

“It’s bringing back that kind of content that separates us, because none of these other promoters have that deep of a library. We have Floyd [Mayweather], we have Manny [Pacquiao], we have Hagler, Hearns, Ali — like anyone that has ever been a legend in boxing at some point has come through the Top Rank doors.”

Backdropping Top Rank’s ability to seek out swings worth taking and value yet to be realized is the buy-in from the top on down. Setley knows that social media strategy doesn’t happen in a silo, it can’t; positive feedback loops buttressed by numbers help keep the train moving, but even before that it takes investment in the vision and the evidence-backed and educated belief that these punches will land.

Said Setley: “At the end of the day we have an amazing president of our organization, Todd duBoef who, revenue or not, has really been a massive supporter of our content overall…He’s been able to give us that belief, that expertise and the resources to make it happen. So over the last two and a half years, our numbers have gone through the roof, and it’s really all thanks to him being able to just be an advocate for us when he’s speaking with other members of the executives, when he’s talking to us, working with him to really build out what our social strategy is.”

Your next mass of fans is already out there, you just have to attract them. Embrace the unknown, take risks, and meet your fans with authenticity. In this ever-evolving digital landscape, understanding your diverse fanbase and innovating will turn casual followers into lifelong fanatics. As Joe Setley and Top Rank have shown, success lies in the connections we build, the stories we tell, and the communities we nurture. By strategically engaging with new platforms and thoughtfully curating content, you can drive deeper engagement and build a thriving, loyal fanbase, and stay on top for years to come.


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Episode 275 Snippets: Behind the Social Media and Content Strategy for Top Rank Boxing

On episode 275 of the Digital and Social Media Sports Podcast, Neil chatted with Joe Setley, Senior Director of Social Media and Content Strategy for Top Rank Boxing.

What follows are some snippets from the episode. Click Here to listen to the full episode or check it out and subscribe to the podcast via iTunes or listen on Spotify or Stitcher.